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Welcome to The Freshman Foundation®, a podcast that helps young athletes and their families BE READY for every next step in the game of life.
In this episode, we're privileged to host Jure Koscak, an AEQ Method Level 2 teacher, life coach, and former table tennis professional. From the importance of authenticity in high-pressure environments to understanding the nuances of self-identity, Jure shares his unique journey.
SO, what was your biggest takeaway from my conversation with Jure?
My biggest takeaway is the importance of self-awareness and authenticity in an athlete's journey. Jure shares his personal experience, highlighting the struggle with the pressure to perform and the breakthroughs that come with embracing authenticity. He emphasizes the gap that can exist between who athletes believe they need to be and who they truly are - bridging this gap is where mentors and coaches prove crucial.
I want to thank Jure for his kind generosity and the wisdom he shared with The Freshman Foundation Community.
You can learn more about Jure’s work by visiting https://www.thegenuineathlete.com/aeqenrollment
You can also follow Jure on Instagram @genuine.athlete and on TikTok @thegenuineathlete
To learn how you can BE READY for your next step in the game of life, visit https://michaelvhuber.com.
Thank you for listening. We look forward to welcoming you back for Episode 69!
00:00.97
mvhuber
Hello Yore, how are you? It's great to have you here? Um, we didn't see each other too long ago I was on your podcast. It was a great conversation. Hopefully ah hopefully we have the same sort of spirited dialogue here and.
00:01.14
Jure Koscak
Hey Michael thank you I'm great.
00:17.51
mvhuber
I Want to give our listeners the opportunity to learn more about you. So I guess to jump right in I would ask you, You're a podcast host just like me. Um, what inspired you to start the being the genuine Athlete podcast.
00:31.10
Jure Koscak
Yeah, I'm also looking forward to our recording now. Um, so to answer the question. It's actually quite Simple. It's being Genuine. It's being Authentic. It's what I have lacked in my beginnings or middle. Of my career as a table tennis player with myself of course and I'm not talking about having big ego which I had but not in that way of being arrogant or something which I was um, it was more in not being.
00:47.43
mvhuber
Oh.
01:04.84
Jure Koscak
Congruent coherent in tune with myself. It was what I thought I needed to be or to present or to show in order to achieve a result it was more the this inauenticity of understanding what it takes to get the result. And this is where most of my struggles actually all of my struggles came from and that's why I decided to create a space a genuine athlete being the Gen Athlete podcast in order to help so many athletes that suffer with thinking. That they need to be this um and they they want this. They want to achieve this but they behave like this and they have this big gap that they are not aware of and this is where I was suffering and closing this gap when I learned that this is all that it's all about in Life. You become more genuine more attentic more in tune aligned connected and then things matches performance start Flowing. So This is the main intention.
02:12.23
mvhuber
That's really Interesting. You know I've had a number of guests you know before I've had the chance to speak to you who've told the same story I had ah Olympic an Olympic Fencer. Ah, who had a very similar story about his path to the olympics and ultimately it wasn't until he really. Ah, found his purpose in life and sort of was looking at his values and and what he wanted to be as a person that he started to perform in the way that he wanted to I had a football player American football player who was the same he was so focused on his the outcome of becoming a professional here. That he lost all focused on every ah focused on everything else, right? So What you're describing is not uncommon and I definitely want to hear more about that that journey from you know where you started to how you got to where you are today. So Can you take us back to sort of early in your life when did you start playing.
03:06.51
Jure Koscak
As I was I think 17 years old we got a flyer in our in the apartment in the building. We got a flyer in our postal box and the club. The local club was inviting that was beginning or.
03:06.76
mvhuber
Table tennis.
03:23.91
Jure Koscak
End of the 80 s or beginning of 90 s somewhere there and I was already playing football with my friends in a club in ah the best club in the area. It's a small actually village town of 15 20000 population and I was already an athlete before that I was you know like a kid always active playing jumping ah playing baseball. We did our own bats at home from wood. We played the tennis balls in a small park. We lost all the balls. Of course we played basketball like it kids we did it our own.
03:55.92
mvhuber
Ah.
03:56.74
Jure Koscak
These goals for soccer you know from europe as I am so we enjoyed a lot in nature in sport I enjoyed it a lot I felt myself as being an athlete already before I knew what it was and I felt that actually looking back at it now I was an authentic genuine kid. Genuine athlete ah, but then you know with the table tennis as I began to train more ah more constantly more consistently as well. I left football because I was playing like year altogether football and table tennis and my mom said you know what you're. You come home from football. Everything's green. Everything's muddy I think you should stick at table tennis. So it's a bit of a responsibility or fault of my mom and and her washing her washing style cleaning clothes style. Um, so yeah I stuck with table tennis I began to. Train good I was very diligent the workaholic from my parents um born on the 8 ah in in April Eight that means number 8 is you're a very analytical approach to life as I was so i. Had everything under control and table tennis I liked that I was alone big behind my side of the net and table. Um, individual sport and also team sport a bit. We played a lot of team events leagues and stuff so this is slowly how I went from a kid.
05:17.20
mvhuber
Um.
05:29.30
Jure Koscak
Ah, from football player then to a table tennis player and already with the age of 12 I began to train several times per per day as well. Two times per day right after school I finished two pm I had a training to 30 until four then I had training again at 7 so um. I began to train a lot already in the early age twelve thirteen then I was a national selection with my age of 14 the the cadets or how it's called I don't know under 15 and then as well under eighteen and then under 21 and then I was always amongk top 101520 in the country. Never actually made it to the a selection of the seniors I was there a b kind of sometimes close to that I was training in the national center of table tennis with all the other team members of the selection of the team of the country and with my club. I was always top 4 in the kind the league in Slovenia we played also some international european cups leagues traveled a lot with table tennis as a junior already on all these tournaments. Ah the international ones and then for drone. I went to um when I finished my studies as a professor of physical education I graduated and everything with Diploma I was 25 and I had this strong desire to change the environment and already through the whole year.
07:04.40
Jure Koscak
Ah, leading towards the new season the season ends in June the new one begins in September I made all the preparations and plans I graduated in September and I already had a club actually in Spain in June but that was a big step for me because I left my. Left my home club my home environment which I always thought I needed to be that I'm not allowed in a way to leave because they invested so much they you know I was getting payment already as a scholarship as I was 15 years of age I got like one hundred bucks per month for playing for the club like a scholarship an athlete one.
07:38.79
mvhuber
Um, ah.
07:40.11
Jure Koscak
Ah, so in that way that was a huge step for me and that's actually where things started to open more in this way because I love the environment the known environment as I was playing in in Spain. Um, and I'm actually jumping over so many steps and so many. Points that happened in between is just like a chronological report of my career and after 1 year in Spain I decided to quit table tennis I just stopped playing I just played some.
07:59.42
mvhuber
Um, sure.
08:08.41
mvhuber
Are.
08:15.18
Jure Koscak
Trainings match trainings before the match that I went to play again in Spain so the second season I stayed in Spain but living at home already and then slowly I began to play back for a couple of years 2 3 years began like a coach as well. A trainer coach for for young kids. Um I played the first league again with the other club and then I just stopped because I went completely pivoted completely my life to another area being energy spiritual traditional chinese medicine all in this area and I sort of I've had enough of table tennis for 20 years lifestyle so I just went to the other side and never looked back.
08:56.61
mvhuber
Yeah, you know before we were recording I read a ah really interesting article about you. Um, that was written about you and that sort of it highlights or sort of takes talks about your transition. And that sort of two thousand and seven eight period and how you found your way out of table tennis but to go back to the beginning I guess I have a bunch of questions so when you decided to focus on table tennis did you want to stay playing football or or. Or were you okay with the idea of specializing in table tennis.
09:33.10
Jure Koscak
Ah, the term of specialization in the early 90 s was not as familiar. Well not in my family or in my area. You're just stuck with a sport stuck in a positive way I mean you stayed with it.
09:48.87
mvhuber
Um, yeah.
09:49.62
Jure Koscak
Ah, you had a community you had support you had coach you had like the environment so we enjoyed it. We loved it. We all loved the table 10 playing table tennis some of my old friends still play it in their forty s fifty s they still play the first leak I'm like has time stopped or something they're still playing the same games.
09:51.81
mvhuber
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10:09.45
Jure Koscak
Ah, while I'm already away from that life in a way. But yeah I stayed I never looked back also on football I Always loved football I played it in primary school high school. Always We also played it on some table tennis trainings that we had sessions. You know we always loved.
10:17.13
mvhuber
Um.
10:22.86
mvhuber
Now.
10:27.15
Jure Koscak
We all played football. We are in love and football as well. But it was never like my goal to be any messy or any mardon or anything like that in that way. Um, also in table tennis I had some idols but not in that kind of obsessive way I was more focused on myself.
10:36.65
mvhuber
Ah.
10:45.65
Jure Koscak
How to because if I'm investing so much time and I just I was driven by something which I found out later what it was that I just stayed there and I played and I trained I loved hitting that ball I enjoyed I observed I had some amazing.
10:58.26
mvhuber
Um.
11:02.67
Jure Koscak
Ah, players around me seniors that guided me as well as a kid I entered quite quickly in this national selection team So it was a fun period of my childhood teenagehood towards the through puberty and adolescence.
11:20.35
mvhuber
Okay, and and what at what point and I know I don't know much about table tennis as a sport and certainly I would imagine. It's a little different from country to country. But at what point did you have a sense that this is something that you could be really.
11:20.46
Jure Koscak
How I developed through that.
11:37.16
mvhuber
Successful at very competitive, really good at.
11:41.29
Jure Koscak
I think almost immediately because ah I saw myself as a kid and then as a teenager I saw how competitive I was how angry I was while losing I didn't want to lose.
11:53.95
mvhuber
Um.
11:54.43
Jure Koscak
How I loved training and perfectionalizing my my strokes and my movement how I loved learning listening observing so quite early I knew that I have something in me because being so angry when you lose and what I'm talking about positive Anger. Um.
12:04.98
mvhuber
Um, never.
12:14.32
Jure Koscak
Is is something that gave me already in the early age ah like being a teenager before 15 a certain aspect and then when I saw that I began to play good and won some matches and began to you know, step up the leather on the ranking list and got into the selection under 15 I saw that that's something that I might be doing but still I wasn't so aware of all what it takes because I was already so much in it that I didn't it didn't come to me as a burden or as a job or as some. Ah. Additional obligation I was already like a kid so much in it that it didn't represent to me as to some athletes later represents because even when I was still playing as ah, almost thirty years of age. It never struck me as some obligation I was so adjusted so accustomed to it. It was a habit for me that I just loved it. I just stayed there.
13:12.65
mvhuber
So what I so I but I yeah I mean obviously you left you volunteer you voluntarily left the sport at you know what? what year was that it was in your twenty s Okay so like.
13:22.40
Jure Koscak
To first time 28 and then I was 31 something like that.
13:30.63
mvhuber
Ah, that point you know like well let me ask you the question this way at what point did you start to think about the fact that maybe you were you were sort of tiring of table tennis and you were ready maybe to make make a change when did that when did that occur.
13:45.88
Jure Koscak
I think I had a first like a huge breakdown but not like leaving the sport when I was 17 I think maybe 15 or maybe 17 somewhere there. It happened because. If you're a national selection you play the whole year and then you go train the whole June July you have a european championship for under 15 under eighteen and so you're in August you begin the preparation with your club for the new season for that begins in September so in August beginning of August I was. Sick of everything I didn't take time off. It was already a couple of like seasons I think I was 17 couple of seasons that I did the whole year through ah like table 10 is table 10 is training and all the time. So I got so sick of it. So full of it that I had like a breakdown I was already over burned.
14:21.16
mvhuber
Um.
14:38.20
Jure Koscak
At the age of 17 and I had I must also mention this that since I was 11 or ten I had every year at least 1 angina and one flu at least if not 2 or 3 so I was already over burning my system over.
14:38.75
mvhuber
Um.
14:54.61
mvhuber
Um, and.
14:54.98
Jure Koscak
Um, using abusing my system in school being you know the academic wise like the best perfectionist and then in table 10 is training and competition over the weekend. Ah when I rested I didn't know how to rest my resting was watching some series on Tv or you know playing football that was my resting.
15:02.40
mvhuber
Ah.
15:11.37
mvhuber
Right.
15:14.68
Jure Koscak
So that was the first time that I figured oh something like if I'm having a breakdown and my system is overridden something's going on but then of course I was playing I was noticing more as I become became more who eyes and more experienced through the years and I studied a lot of sports psychology. Ah, and I and I did the diploma also on the pre-competition anxiety I had like 300 questionnaires put out on the world student world championship that was in my country that I used as to gain a lot of info for my diploma. my thesis my my my
15:35.20
mvhuber
Um.
15:52.41
mvhuber
Um, that's excellent.
15:53.84
Jure Koscak
This research analysis of pre-competition anxiety and in table tennis and then when I left Slovenia something like and my club my whole town something like clicked I played perfectly in the division. 3 third league in Spain I didn't lose a game. Up until like 40 games 1 in a row. Ah, although in these 40 games I had many games that I could have lost and I just sort of broke through I won that wouldn't have happened that didn't happen prior in my career and then after this season in Spain.
16:22.95
mvhuber
Um, now.
16:30.93
Jure Koscak
I went because before I went to Spain I went I visited I attended a London education a certain education curriculum landmark forum and that opened my eyes even more before that I attended additional these.
16:46.90
mvhuber
Um, have a.
16:50.00
Jure Koscak
A workshop design your life and through that I came to this landmark forum and then in 2008 I attended second part of this landmark forum and this like really opened my eyes even more and where I decided to join the third level of this curriculum which is not three days like the first or the second three days but it's the third one is. Three months long it's a selfage self-expression leadership program as Elp and that is where I was living more in London it was finally a June July for me and beginning August that I didn't have any table tennis.
17:12.47
mvhuber
Yes.
17:29.31
Jure Koscak
And I was like I was riding a rich I was driving rich I was a taxi driver in London because I needed to yeah I needed to survive somehow I didn't have you know any savings or my parents couldn't help me as much I already finished my school I played in Spain I you know I didn't earn a lot of money in Spain. So i.
17:33.88
mvhuber
Um I read about that. That's um, that's incredible. Yeah.
17:49.19
Jure Koscak
Spent it all everything spontaneously all along and then I was living in London and I attended this ah leadership program where I needed to be a leader for myself and to create a certain program or.
17:52.79
mvhuber
Um.
18:04.75
Jure Koscak
Or a humanitarian or charity kind of project through that leadership program in London and I of course took took on this rickshaw driver taxi style of life and and also creating this project and that is when in that period it clicked me. Because I had this leadership program I was educating myself in the afternoon my my life from age of ten or eleven was like yeah from age of 9 actually ah 7 p m training table tennis every day maybe also in June july. Additional morning afternoon evening 3 times per day sessions. So actually then it was first time after more than 15 years years sixteen yeah more 18 years that I actually had like time off I didn't. Play anything at 7 p M which was like stuck for me 7 p m training. It's no rain snow. Whatever no or I was driving a richha or I was having this education or I was at home with my friends in some London suburbs.
19:02.52
mvhuber
Um, was that that was that difficult for you to not have something to do at that point that time of the day.
19:15.11
Jure Koscak
Suburbs enjoying life and slowly it began to hit me and I don't know what happened it was also a part of that education that I just had a moment of I don't know lightning struck me and I called my new boss old boss in in Spain I said i'm. I'm not completing the contract I'm going to finish playing table tennis. It was a very spontaneous and a very not What's the word in in impulsive. Ah, ah, reaction actually ah that it surprised even me.
19:45.70
mvhuber
Um, never.
19:50.50
Jure Koscak
It surprised myself as well. I did the project the 24 hour playing table 10 is with my friends I even called the olympic and world champion if he wanted to attend but it was ah the beijing Olympics health at that moment. So this was the time that I clicked. And then afterwards I never played table 10 is ah the same again I never changed it the same again after that pause. Ah, it's like like a lot of think fell off my shoulders I didn't train every day and when I played I played with much more enjoyment with much more like routine approach.
20:13.89
mvhuber
Um, and.
20:26.70
mvhuber
Oh.
20:28.31
Jure Koscak
Like completely flipped and then I played as I said additional 2 3 years and trained some some ah young athletes kids and then I just stopped then when I stopped it was a normal transition. The last transition it was like just.
20:34.70
mvhuber
Um, right.
20:40.65
mvhuber
Are.
20:42.50
Jure Koscak
It it like I had I needed this a middle transition and then it was the huge one.
20:45.60
mvhuber
But but it sounds like when you made that phone call to Spain to say you're gonna you're not playing anymore. It doesn't sound like you regret that decision at all from what I can tell.
20:55.88
Jure Koscak
No no because it as I live and as I have I'm 14 hour in my age man I've observing retrospecting my life. My decisions. Whatever I do I do it I'm not.
21:12.28
mvhuber
Um.
21:15.45
Jure Koscak
I have doubts I'm a critic I'm a skeptic I'm this and that I'm worried but what I do I do I don't step back I don't step off I don't change my mind or something or I don't you know do these things So I did it I just stepped into it.
21:21.28
mvhuber
Nope.
21:26.15
mvhuber
Right? Yeah I think I think the word that comes to mind in all of this story. You're telling about yourself is commitment right? like you're somebody that once you committed to table tennis you're committed to it. And then when you took on this new life and you moved to London and you started you know thinking about this change of you know your life going into something new and stopping playing. You're committed to it. There was never any ah regret ah about it and that's I think that's it's wonderful, right? It sounds like you've been through a lot of. You were you went through a lot of challenges along the way the where you use as breakdowns right? or you know there's a lot of stress in the system and you coped with it right? But then ultimately when you decided hey I'm going to move on. It wasn't like is this what I should have done. You were ready and then you committed to the next thing that you were prepared to do.
22:23.89
Jure Koscak
Yeah, when I stopped first time in 2008 as I mentioned I already I still played some matches in Spain I went a couple of times 5 or 6 times to play in Spain ah because I didn't want to you know cut everything away in a way.
22:39.28
mvhuber
Um, if.
22:39.90
Jure Koscak
Not being bad athlete or player for that club because I already signed the contract I need to fulfill some parts of it but I didn't train anymore. Actually I started working in a restaurant with a diploma in my hand I was a bartender never had a. Single minute of being educated as a bartender I started working alone with a chef in the kitchen and I had like 20 or more ish tables to cover but I spoke 3 foreign languages English Spanish German and Cerber creation and Slovenian. So. I was a professional in being a bartender and in putting out the tables and and setting up the tables and food and drink so that was my new profession then in 2008 and then 2009 end of it I began to play again I began to be a coach of table tennis and then 2011 I just.
23:21.26
mvhuber
Ah.
23:32.90
Jure Koscak
Cut Everything never look back Really never look back.
23:35.35
mvhuber
and and I want to talk more about that because I think there's a lot of really interesting stuff in what you're describing in terms of the way you approach things you know at that point your life when you were playing table tennis like you said I think you said maybe around you know in your teens was the first time maybe you had like. Really started to sort of have some doubt or have some breakdowns like what did that look like in table tennis for you when maybe you had a breakdown and how would you? How would you deal with it. How would you cope with it when when things were sort of falling apart for you.
24:10.40
Jure Koscak
Um, I'm gonna tell you a story when I already worked a lot on myself and I didn't play table tennis simo and tennis at table tennis anymore. It was 2000 I think end of 2013 yes end of 2013 I didn't play table tennis already for.
24:13.59
mvhuber
And.
24:26.43
Jure Koscak
Almost two years and I was working a lot of myself I was already mentor a coach to other people. But I still had after these after earthquake rumble of table tennis and my life and a lot of cleansing because I was in another education in energy wise and I was approached quite.
24:40.27
mvhuber
Um, ah.
24:46.31
Jure Koscak
Heavily on myself and I began to read a journal several journals that I wrote in between my career and my childhood and teenage. But and I wrote and I and I read something that was like a consistent ah pattern that I recognized that was I was 31 31 32 yeah, almost 32 and I read these journals when I was back 12 141516 years of age and they all they all had the same patterns because whenever I had a crisis of bad results or bad feelings in my table tennis career as a teenager. Already going to the national team or being there ah being good and under the 15 under eighteen um I had the same patterns of crisis I lost some games I I didn't have the mental you know awareness I read some books they helped me but i. Used all that knowledge from a book how to be confident of some psychology. Not maybe so much sports psychology but some psychology because I was yearning for that knowledge I saw that it's not just this white ball and hitting it and hitting it million times a day.
25:42.29
mvhuber
Um.
25:48.40
mvhuber
Um, yep.
25:57.66
Jure Koscak
It's something else needs to be that I was missing and my coach my teammates were more like my coach was backed off because he was not aware of this knowledge so much or he didn't show it or express it and my teammates were like don't worry just play like in that mood. Ah more relaxed.
26:00.40
mvhuber
Yeah, um.
26:15.56
Jure Koscak
And I was so into it's ambitious I needed everything and I couldn't get it and maybe nobody spoke about it in the 90 s you know and that was 9095 nineteen ninety six so these patterns that I figured out while reading these journals were always the same crisis the same pattern that happened to me.
26:24.10
mvhuber
Ah.
26:34.21
Jure Koscak
Ah, because I had a breakdown 5 years prior to the breakdown that I mentioned before several several of them. Ah my my results fend down and I didn't know what to do how to train I still went to training or I had an angina my body you know, checked out or something or I did some stupid thing that I injured myself.
26:43.90
mvhuber
On.
26:53.48
Jure Koscak
Like kicking a table tennis table and breaking my ah big toe on my foot you know because of Anger frustration more that's destructive. So all these patterns were like opening eye opening for me and heart opening. Um, and then ah, what else did you ask me about this.
26:58.32
mvhuber
Um, sure.
27:12.24
mvhuber
How did you deal? How did you deal they deal with it. It sounds like a lot of the way you dealt with it when you were playing when you were younger was anger right? like when things built up the anger was a way to release the the emotion of it.
27:12.53
Jure Koscak
How I went through and how yeah, um.
27:20.50
Jure Koscak
Yeah, and yeah. Yeah anger frustration disappointment and journal link not every day. Ah, but I journaled when I felt when I needed it was maybe for two weeks and then not again for two months and it's like this but that's helped me to recognize a pattern.
27:42.86
mvhuber
I think what's interesting there. So I'll sort of I want to point that out from a sports psychology perspective a lot of times I'll talk to my clients about journaling as a way to not only release the emotion but to collect the data like you're saying right. You when you journal right? You're collecting data and you start to see patterns what you've described though is you didn't really look back on those patterns until it was much later in your life using a journal It's not only writing it down but also using it and reflecting on it in real time so that. If you would have noticed that pattern when you were younger. Well maybe you wouldn't have done anything about it because you were younger but you definitely have a better chance of addressing it if you see these things coming up and then you realize it while you're playing versus ten years later where you go like oh I see the same thing over and over and over again and now it's. I get it I understand that I'm older more mature more educated about it. But I wish I could have done something about it when I was younger.
28:42.72
Jure Koscak
Exactly. But also if I did recognize a pattern I always said I don't have time for this like many athletes do no time for dealing with this now with this shit in me I just need to train. It will.
28:50.73
mvhuber
Interesting.
28:59.61
mvhuber
Um, I'll do more I have to do more right? Exactly That's really interesting. Yeah.
29:00.60
Jure Koscak
You know, go away. Yeah, do more. It will go away everybody goes through it. You know this is a shit storm just it will pass just keep on going keep on digging. It will go away but it always came back sometimes couple of times in a year
29:14.38
mvhuber
Back.
29:19.90
Jure Koscak
Sometimes a couple of times in a month. It came back certain emotional damaging and emotional immaturity and not understanding the emotions and always this emotional drama reaction that was overburdening and over.
29:20.10
mvhuber
Right.
29:27.39
mvhuber
Yes.
29:35.67
Jure Koscak
Taking me in my responses.
29:36.90
mvhuber
Ah, so I mean I'm not going to talk about myself but I will just say this from my own perspective I relate to that so much I had that experience in my own life where I would continue to go through these patterns in my life and it wasn't until I was capable of. Recognizing it but also capable of doing the work emotionally to get through it. It wasn't until that point that I had a breakthrough which is something that you know in terms of reading this article I was reading before we got on is that's something that comes up too right? It's the breakdowns. But now you had this breakthrough or breakthroughs. And now you move on to this next part of your life. It sounds like that breakthrough in your training your sort of Self-awareness really allows you to move to the next part of your life which clearly you're you're in a much.. It seems like you're in a much better place a much more. You know content place. Then maybe you were while you were an athlete struggling. Can you talk about the breakthroughs that you've seen.
30:31.40
Jure Koscak
I Had a lot of breakthroughs while playing table tennis result wise and also spiritual wise intelligent wise emotional wise as well. But the thing is that as an athlete that I was I was quite dumb because.
30:43.97
mvhuber
Um, and.
30:50.32
Jure Koscak
Because I could have used all of this info data I could have used all of these breakthroughs but ah the goal was always to win. The goal is to always just compete and win compete and win and train and compete and win and always suffer like always I'm exaggerating. But in that way and. Not taking the time to reflect to notice to understand to connect the dots like I was doing after the career or just before I ended those two years were like a balsam if you can call it like a balsam how you say it like a like ah bandage that you. Put over the career because those two last years that I was playing I really enjoyed I didn't have much fear or any at all I wasn't worried I began to enjoy in table 10 so it was like all the years came together and all already some part of the spiritual awakening.
31:41.74
mvhuber
Um.
31:43.89
Jure Koscak
Came together and I could enjoy the last two of my years of playing coaching kids and students I was also coaching students playing table tennis. So that was somehow like ah yeah, like a bandage on that all those years of having breakdowns having breakthroughs but not allowing you know because table tennis results. A career academics this is more important than how I feel what I feel how I always have the same response. How actually my teammates were already joking ah me about or my coach because I also did like when I was fifteen years 4015 years of age already in the national selection under 15 I was doing yoga.
32:08.34
mvhuber
And.
32:22.47
Jure Koscak
I went to do I had it train I had school 7 a m or 8 a m to two p m and then two thirty PM to four p m training then I went to yoga at 6 p M class seven p m I had another training of table tennis and on that yoga class sometimes I just slept. You know in yoga you do this first relaxation. Everybody was doing the exercises all the other as sonas I woke up after half an hour and like oh okay, they let me be I was with some old people. It was a nice young teacher of yoga. We didn't have like you needed to change the lifestyle to be the yogi but.
32:47.37
mvhuber
Um.
32:55.27
Jure Koscak
That sort of gave me something but what happened every time I found a cure for me for my results because it was always I need this book to win I need this yoga in order to win I need to eat this in order that I will win winning was above all.
33:06.62
mvhuber
Um, right? Yes, Yes, exactly.
33:13.70
Jure Koscak
It was not the process. It was not the becoming someone the character like we talked in our podcast. Ah it was so much this crucial thing.
33:23.97
mvhuber
I see that so much in the athletes that I work with right and I would call that for lack of a better way to put it a perfectionism right? this this belief that it's I have to do more I have to win I have to win at all costs and I have to do more in order to get there right. And so right rather than enjoying the process of being an athlete enjoying the process. You're chasing a result that's out of your control right? and I think the yoga example the story is really interesting to me because I think like you needed that right like you needed. Go you needed that rest because you were running on fumes as an athlete and but for you yoga was I have to go to yoga so that it can help me win versus I need to go to yoga because I need to relax right? What is it.
34:12.83
Jure Koscak
Yes, Michael but but there's a big but as I was talking whenever I found the cure may be a book a person food talk conversation journal or yoga I used it just until I won when I won. I dropped it off like the the worst friend like someone who abused me and I never looked back and then I was a once again falling down in the pattern until I found a new cure like I was a junk aholic jumping from these cures.
34:41.35
mvhuber
Grip.
34:50.20
Jure Koscak
That only allowed me to get that fix in a way and when I got it I was like oh I got this now. Well you got shit hure and I needed so much time to realize so many losses so many breakdowns So many breakthroughs that I finally figured out at least hacked myself.
34:50.80
mvhuber
Ah.
34:59.80
mvhuber
Ah, yes.
35:06.93
mvhuber
Um.
35:08.60
Jure Koscak
Because what happened once I was doing yoga then for maybe one two months then I won the national championship I was the best I was seat trees but then I won it and I won it in a way because under fifteen because I was looking at the ball I took a deep breath I was doing yoga for 3 3 months before prior. And I won that tournament I was losing in many games. Everybody was like how can you win this match. You're in lost position I just said I'm doing yoga I don't know how I'm just breeding I'm just calm and then when I won it. We went to european championship forget about yoga and then I remembered couple of years later. Playing the first league I want I'm I'm already nineteen or twenty years of age or maybe 20 ish and of course I remember I need to do yoga. But what happened being a bigger body like fifteen and 2023 of age is different in a body and also producing of some emotional. State of being an energy I did yoga but I did yoga for like several months not every day but I did a relaxation I did this I did that but what happened yoga helped me to suppress so much rage that when it was oh when I was so full of rage already because I didn't you know.
36:03.24
mvhuber
Um.
36:19.17
Jure Koscak
Filter it I didn't ventilate it in any match I had good games I had bad games but I was very good like perceivingly good. But then I remember it's like now it like happened like 5 minutes ago but it happened seventeen years ago or more I lost a game that I could have should have won.
36:20.60
mvhuber
Um.
36:34.88
mvhuber
Um.
36:38.95
Jure Koscak
And I took that big bottle plastic bottle of some juice. It was like three quarters full like more than a liter of water in ah juice in and I just that was the moment that I had a big breakdown I just took it and I slammed it so that that juice flew all over the 2 table tennis tables. Over every spectator that was there over my coach and they said oh my god you're really crazy and I'm like I know but nobody's helping me because I don't know how I don't allow I don't understand and everybody just expects that I will have it under control and I will handle it.
36:59.27
mvhuber
Are.
37:11.65
mvhuber
Um, yes control.
37:15.67
Jure Koscak
And I always needed to prove I can handle it but I always knew what if you can and you don't look once again, you don't this then this bullying this beating up came more into practice the subconscious the patterns. So this is what I needed to mention regarding these cures and how it went.
37:30.97
mvhuber
Yeah, yeah, no I think that's really important because I work with so many athletes too who try things and that either they they don't get the results right away and they want they would right? They don't get the results right away and they drop it or they don't want to do it.
37:40.85
Jure Koscak
Stick stick with them. Or or they do results. They get results and this is cliche.
37:49.92
mvhuber
That's and then they say I got the results and like you said like I just dropped it right versus. Let's just be consistent with it and and it's listen. It's human I think it's human nature right now some people are lucky we live in a world now. Ah.
37:59.41
Jure Koscak
I think it's stupid human nature. It's not human I think it's like Einstein said universe and human insanity has no limits I think it's it's not as it could should supposed to be Michael.
38:10.19
mvhuber
Um, yeah, yeah.
38:15.72
Jure Koscak
Let's not put it there. It's human nature. It's stupid human nature. We can't We are more wise we can't be wise or much more.
38:22.40
mvhuber
Yeah, absolutely right? But it it takes it takes the awareness of it right? And that's the key. It's like um I don't know if you're a yeah if you're a fan of ah Jon Kabatzin you know mindfulness. But there's a book called wherever you go there. You are right. What's the point. The point is is that you know what you can run away from it or you can do all these things but you're still, you're still you have to be okay with yourself on the inside right? and it.
38:49.35
Jure Koscak
And I like the song the song is ah wherever you go, you always take the weather with you if you're a shits storm you it's there. It's either in caribbean or in Usa or in Europe or in Asia it's with you because it's you.
38:58.41
mvhuber
Um, right, it's That's right, you you can run. Ah you can run and hide. But it's not going until you face it and deal with the right way. So so talk to me about how you became.
39:06.60
Jure Koscak
Yeah.
39:13.88
mvhuber
Ah, life coach like what led you to that and sort of what's your purpose in what you do today.
39:18.70
Jure Koscak
I think I was born into it as I remember I was age 5 or six I was observing my friends and I already wanted to be a coach of some kind of something a team a leader I always had that in me.
39:27.40
mvhuber
Have.
39:34.15
Jure Koscak
Whichever coach or whichever professor was in my life crossing pads excuse me or a teacher I always observed and just soaked in the information how they were leading subconsciously and a bit consciously. So um, all throughout my career.
39:48.48
mvhuber
Ah.
39:51.90
Jure Koscak
Um, we need to emphasize that to athletes take time give space no rush because this is the main reason that we suffer that we lose lose not just games. We lose our bodies.
40:03.67
mvhuber
And.
40:07.49
Jure Koscak
Abilities We we injure not only physically emotionally and mentally I wanted to have so many times a psychiatrist not a psychologist a psychiatrist myself I knew that I needed someone who's like dealing with severe problems because I imposed them on myself.
40:15.61
mvhuber
Um, and.
40:24.82
Jure Koscak
So this is how all of this burden and thanks God I didn't have cancer in life through which I could grow but I had cancer in my mind in a way mental one that I used to as as ah, as a what's that called ah that you put in soil and then it grows that.
40:28.67
mvhuber
Are.
40:41.49
mvhuber
Um, fertilizer.
40:44.27
Jure Koscak
You know you fertilizer So I fertilize with my insanity with my incapability of or not understanding I read so many things I talked to so many people I gathered information so it was like a natural pattern path for me journey which I was already born into to be.
40:59.91
mvhuber
Um, yeah.
41:03.55
Jure Koscak
Who I am and I just eventually just began to use this table tennis as a platform as a platform on which like people go to swing pool to s swing poolol to s swim people go to gym to lift weights I began to use table tennis and then every other.
41:17.13
mvhuber
Um, now.
41:20.55
Jure Koscak
Activity that I did as a platform in order to grow myself in awareness spirituality conscious wise to lift my subconscious level higher in that way I became this life coach that now understands with so many personal experience.
41:27.29
mvhuber
Um, and.
41:34.50
mvhuber
Um, yeah.
41:38.11
Jure Koscak
With understanding the purpose that I was born into in a way and some people say I don't know well I was born into. Yes you do just look at your shit life or shit stories or that you sell yourself or shit situations because that's what's putting you there. Some people God Forbid have some disease Some people have losses. Some people have this kind of stuff. But this is your purpose where you are put so we all have something some adversity some challenge that actually is a fertilizer in that way.
42:03.32
mvhuber
Absolutely yeah I think I I think the thing that holds people back and again I can speak from my own experience I think is fear the fear of failure the fear of like what's the Unknown. What's going to happen if I go and try to live my purpose out. If I think about the bartending and the rickshaw story and all of that like you needed to do that in order to get to where you wanted to go. You were willing to make those sacrifices and I think a lot of people don't Well, that's the irony of it isn't it but but I think a lot of people would because like.
42:31.52
Jure Koscak
And I didn't see them as a sacrifice.
42:40.19
mvhuber
You know if if you're somebody you know so like I'll put it into a perspective of changing a career and I guess that you won't do that same thing but like I changed the career and I think when you when you think about changing your career from something that maybe is more socially acceptable and more stable. I would tell myself stories about like well what what does this mean? What am I going to do like what are people going to think of me right? and and why would I leave this career that I was making all this money in and now move on to something where I have to start over in my 40 s and now there are things that I do in my life personally for work. That that allow me to continue on and and pursue this journey of like I'm trying to like build this you know this practice this business people don't see it right? like the the side jobs the side hustles The you know the sacrifices that I make but I do it for me because I know. Like it's just a means to an end but the people who are scared are going to say like why is this guy like doing all these like you know menial jobs or why is he doing this when he could have just made his life easier right? like I think a lot of times look at success in a monetary way or they don't want to make the sacrifices and they're not or they're not ready yet right.
43:46.23
Jure Koscak
Um, yeah.
43:52.77
mvhuber
And I think it is a process unfortunately or fortunately there are people like I think coaches any coach life Coach Sports Psychology Whatever it is that you do are there to help us build our our awareness and then build the tools to make those changes that we want to make that are aligned with our purpose.
44:11.11
Jure Koscak
Yes, ah in my favor it goes that I first jump and then I ask the questions I first do and then I'm wondering what did I do it so my mind or my actions speak louder first and then. Then I think about and calculate and analyze and that's in a way a curse and in a way a blessing. Ah how you take it and and in what you which level of of my life I was as I could understood it so all this that I did the rigshaw the being a bartender and doing some other things.
44:28.12
mvhuber
Um, yeah.
44:43.66
Jure Koscak
Ah, coaching students playing table tennis that never understood table tennis like you know and students also have some physical education classes and they took the table tennis one and because I knew that I would I could be the best coach or also give them so much because I had some experience and I was coaching some students that didn't even compete in table tennis.
44:47.54
mvhuber
Ah.
45:00.70
mvhuber
Um.
45:03.30
Jure Koscak
And I did all that so I never took it as a sacrifice like I said because of my character I always jump first and then I look at it backwards sometime later sometime even never so all of this what I did was just the normal flow of. Ah, points of my lifesteps of my life that happened and I didn't interfere in a way of course I had doubts I was skeptic. Of course I had my devil speaking to me what will others say and this but I I could somehow always block those things out and just go my way because no one's I'm an aries.
45:33.49
mvhuber
Right? While we we we're five days apart in the birthday. So I April on April Third and I I hear a lot of myself in your story right? once I get an idea into my head. You're not stopping me.
45:37.61
Jure Koscak
And no was gonna you know, tell me what to do in a way. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's like it. It could be that paradigm you know explanation. Of of this horosoppe astrology but sometimes it's nice to have these tools. Yes, So who's gonna tell me and I'm I'm I'm gonna go so.
46:00.11
mvhuber
Yeah, well, but but I but I think I think you put your finger on something really important which is to say everyone's journey is their own and really at the end of the day. The only person's opinion who matters is mine.
46:18.41
Jure Koscak
Then.
46:20.50
mvhuber
Is yours for yourself, right? Everybody else's opinions. They don't have all the information and I think a lot of times to tie it back to the subject of being an athlete I think a lot of times athletes young and old alike are so worried about people's opinion about them.
46:26.40
Jure Koscak
Um, men.
46:36.20
Jure Koscak
Man.
46:36.38
mvhuber
Or the comparison to other people that they're not focused on their own development. Whether the result comes or not in some ways doesn't matter because it's out of their control. What am I doing to develop myself so that I feel good about where I'm at and I think that's exactly what you described and now you're in a place in your life where all those experiences. And all the things that you went through all the breakdowns and breakthroughs led you to this place where you're at now and that's a that's a blessing. It's something to be grateful for and it's also instructive for others who have doubts about you know where their life is going or where they're going to get to.
47:11.94
Jure Koscak
Yeah, it's um, life Always what's the saying if if you're not feeling good or if it's not resolved. It's still not over just keep going keep living So I've had some Guardian angels.
47:22.74
mvhuber
Um, yep, yes.
47:29.40
Jure Koscak
Whether they were outside or inside of me talking to me that I always felt that I'm going through something difficult in order to get the experience that I could then share and and and contribute and help and so give support to others through my own experience.
47:42.15
mvhuber
Um, yes.
47:45.38
Jure Koscak
So whether it was the biggest you know shitstorm as I mentioned many times in the middle of it I Just said it's not only for me, it's not only against me. It's It's actually for everyone else to to be shared that it's my fertilizer. It's my curse. That's it's a blessing in disguise. So I just okay.
47:50.53
mvhuber
Um, right to be shared. It's to be shared with others. Absolutely yeah.
48:04.63
Jure Koscak
Okay, and and it's always like that when you let go of the resistance it goes away. So if I knew all of this Michael when I started to playing or who knows what knows what? if you know would happen.
48:08.81
mvhuber
Um, yes, right.
48:17.62
mvhuber
Well, that's ah and that's that's a part of the reason why I got into this you know to this career later in life is because I was actually I would start to think about like what if I had somebody to guide me through these things when I was younger, you know that I didn't have I tried to do it all on my own if I had someone like me. On my side would I have had no regret would I have gotten to a higher level would I have been happier I don't know that's why I do what I do and now I take all my experience and knowledge and I share it with other people for the purpose of helping them right? like that's the beauty of coaching and and I guess I have 2 more questions on that you know. Um, one is do you have people in your life now mentors coaches that you rely on to help you in in terms of building your business the podcast or whatever it is that you do in life.
49:05.83
Jure Koscak
Ah, first I'm gonna mention back in the 90 s we had vhs tapes we didn't have Youtube we didn't have Instagram we didn't have nothing and we didn't have like access to some information I read some books about confidence that my mom had.
49:17.82
mvhuber
Um, yeah.
49:22.22
Jure Koscak
Ah, so what's available now to these athletes. It's huge the the so resources and sources and and every the the collective you know library of knowledge for psychology mental training and everything. Ah because I've watched ah the best table tennis player from Sweden.
49:27.48
mvhuber
Are.
49:41.66
Jure Koscak
Which I then called for my project. He actually answered that was a part of this ah landmark form education I've watched him on vhs tapes how he played his for and back in and that was all I had you know we't have Youtube we didn't have anything.
49:46.49
mvhuber
Are.
49:52.50
mvhuber
Um, yeah.
49:58.57
Jure Koscak
And I had some people that were around me that I mentioned my coach was also good. Although I wanted to have a psychiatrist because of him and for him sometimes all I wanted to sometimes to kill him but but that was all a part of it. He gave me a lot and my ah fellow ah colleagues and an athletes players friends.
50:08.97
mvhuber
Um.
50:17.46
Jure Koscak
Each of them gave me some part of it on my journey and then later on of course I was searching for many coaches gurus or some teachers and I found some yes in the preview in the past ten fifteen years I found some I connected with some.
50:25.13
mvhuber
Can that.
50:34.80
Jure Koscak
I paid a lot of money to be with some in in connection because they were precious and they had the price that they had and of course I got huge result out of that. It was another big commitment that I did first jump in and then think about it but it it paid out a lot that I cannot even.
50:39.69
mvhuber
Are.
50:50.47
mvhuber
Um, yeah, ah.
50:54.48
Jure Koscak
Imagine I see some of my peers Some of my friends not that they are bad or something but I see the situations of life that they go through that I go through and how they respond and where they are and how how is their consciousness able to reflect something. It's not that timem teach.
50:57.56
mvhuber
Are.
51:10.51
mvhuber
Are ah.
51:12.78
Jure Koscak
Saying now that I'm something I don't know what more but it's how and what I'm doing and what I was meant what I managed to do out of my subconsciousness that I understand now because there's always like this athletes train a lot and they do everything the best way they have the team. But if there comes subconsciousness.
51:20.00
mvhuber
And.
51:31.71
Jure Koscak
So Consciously they' are aware. They are strong. But if their subconsciousness is still stuck in the childhood and it still sucks and it's still I'm not good enough. What I'm a perfectionist or I need to be perfectionist or all of these you know programs and and messages and and ah not filtrated nonsense. It's still they're alive in them and they're not becoming aware of that. They're not taking its out of the subconscious into Consciousness. It's gonna tear them down like you tear me down just before the match point just before the game just before just before the end line the finish line this sub consciousnesssciousness will f you up.
51:57.55
mvhuber
Um, yes.
52:06.48
mvhuber
Yes.
52:08.72
Jure Koscak
If you do not become more aligned and in tune and in terms with what and how it is and how it functions so this is about becoming aware and support is such an amazing platform through which you can get so many beneficial data information.
52:13.84
mvhuber
Guess.
52:23.62
mvhuber
Oh my goodness. Yes.
52:27.74
Jure Koscak
That can help you so much. Not just for your sport but for life and this is what I took out and what I'm still taking out what I still benefiting from you know like I don't know who I think Jesse Owens on who or who said suffer now and then you'll you to run this race for 4 minutes and then you'll be a champion for your whole life or something like that.
52:30.96
mvhuber
Um, for your life.
52:43.95
mvhuber
Yes.
52:46.95
Jure Koscak
And that is what I take even though I was suffering not all the time of course of my career but sometimes I can now reap so much benefits from this because yeah because I can look at it from a different perspective and I allowed myself to look at it from a different perspective and I see so many people stay there.
52:55.54
mvhuber
There's value in the so there's value in that Yes, perspective.
53:05.27
Jure Koscak
They just allow that subconsciousness and their consciousness and their you know life to stay somewhere and they are fine.
53:10.91
mvhuber
Um, yeah, yeah, and and I think I Frankly, you know from my own my own experiences as a coach like that's that's a big part of what I do too which is to say I bring I help that young person bring the awareness to the fact that you know. They think of themselves one way but I help them shift their perspective about hey like this isn't as bad as you think it is like you're doing good things and there's value in what you're doing your experience and helping them to sort of raise that that awareness right when you have another voice in the process. It's different than. I'm trying to convince myself of it because if we try to convince ourselves a lot of times we we don't let that happen right? But when someone else tonight. Yes.
53:49.37
Jure Koscak
You cannot convince the on inconvincible and that is the subconsciousness you need to over hypnotize It overdrive it over reprogram it and understand it.
53:58.69
mvhuber
It takes and that takes to reprogram you to reprogram your subconscious and I've been through that process as well. It takes a long time and a lot of consistent effort. Not only in terms of the self talk and messaging to ourselves but through our actions right am I doing.
54:05.70
Jure Koscak
Mean.
54:16.44
mvhuber
Consistent positive action every single day to the point where my self-esteem is really good to the point where it doesn't matter whether I win or lose or I generate a ah new client or not or I whatever I still feel good because the actions I'm taking I know are good actions. And I know it's going to pay off in the future I'm not going to worry today. Most people say I do something today and then it doesn't pay off today and I'm a failure. No, you're not you. You had a good day. You did what you needed to do yes, you didn't get the feedback that you needed if you do it again tomorrow and the next day and the next day eventually it's going to pay off.
54:52.80
Jure Koscak
Yeah, yeah, because it's yeah, yeah results and the lack of awareness this blindness being a blind not feeling yourself I Just saw a kid.
54:53.17
mvhuber
For the rest of your life and I think that that's hard for a young person or anybody because they want results now.
55:03.91
mvhuber
Um, yes.
55:07.49
Jure Koscak
1516 years of age playing tennis with my girlfriend as a coach of his coach of tennis and he said I miss everything and I'm like I'm watching you play and in half an hour you missed maybe 3 times really bad like fourhand maybe 10 times it was out but I saw like 25 in
55:18.42
mvhuber
Um, is.
55:26.53
mvhuber
Um, right? and you're focus on your focus on the failure and the negative.
55:27.18
Jure Koscak
I Don't know what you're talking about. It's not only focus. It's not being able to see it's you're so blind to the feelings to information we distort so many information because Subconsciousness is there to s and f us up if you are not. You're gonna get sucked.
55:38.96
mvhuber
Ah.
55:43.89
mvhuber
Yeah, yeah, so so the last question I always ask the same question to all my guests in I modify the form a little bit final question. What is the 1 piece of advice.
55:46.13
Jure Koscak
So.
55:54.30
Jure Koscak
Oh oh final.
56:03.73
mvhuber
That you would give to a young athlete over any if you had to pick one thing to tell them what would you tell them? Ah, it's a hard question.
56:10.52
Jure Koscak
Now come on Michael you're asking. Ah you're asking a chef what is the 1 recipe 1 ingredient in that recipe come on. You cannot do that. You know there's not the 1 thing. It's it's not a one off thing. It's not a one end thing. It's a combination of a lot of things I'm going to mention some of them. Ah like I did already during our talk now. Ah rest ah give space ah time down like slow down. Feel and also allow journal. You know do a lot of all these small steps that will bring you like more alignment with your that. Your also your subconsciousness will raise up and and and mature that not only consciously you will be strong and and to do everything and do more.
56:50.22
mvhuber
Ah.
57:02.40
Jure Koscak
So that your your subconsciousness would not win you or overtake you that you will bring it on and all of these small bits and pieces daily in and out taking in the process everything that we've talked and going to the 1 thing we'll get that 1 thing. Ah I'm just channeling to towards that 1
57:10.50
mvhuber
Are.
57:20.62
mvhuber
Ah, you're thinking through what I understand.
57:21.26
Jure Koscak
So yeah, so in that way. Um, there's all these small details that bring so much like if you just observe the nature. How does a tree grow. How does a flower grow. How does a flat plant grow. How does a little small ant brings or how does a small bee. Creates such a wonderful life and it's all like a mosquito mosquito actually does the same thing as a bee. It's quite annoying to humans but it still does hit sting and a mosquito is not here like I think Dalai Lama said um
57:47.70
mvhuber
Um, and.
57:55.46
Jure Koscak
If You think that you're too small in your life or in your you know environment just think of a mosquito in a room while you're sleeping while you want to sleep try to sleep so all doing all these mosquito and small things in your life will eventually put together all this puzzle will bring all this picture together. And if it happens while you're in a career or going towards the height of your ah supreme career. You know life results. Wow you're being so blessed if it happens at the end or after the end of the career. Whatever as long as it happens.
58:21.41
mvhuber
Of who.
58:30.60
Jure Koscak
You became wiser you connect the dots and you can then begin to share if it's as I said before you reach the height of your career way to go your ah talent. You're blessed and every star is put in your place. So but this is the the small bits and pieces I would say this is the 1 thing doing being.
58:45.59
mvhuber
Ah, thus.
58:49.30
Jure Koscak
Feeling sensing connecting all these small bits and pieces gives you so much. It's not just you know 1 thing like winning winning like we said in our podcast is a consequence. It's a result of of putting all the ingredients going to a kitchen. Please athlete go into a kitchen of a famous chef and observe how they are famous chef. Why they are famous chef because they pay attention I like this terminology of english language paying attention because if you don't pay attention to the details. You're going to be paying quite a lot in your physical suffering emotional drama or mental like you know, lack of awareness suffering.
59:17.68
mvhuber
Ah.
59:21.56
mvhuber
I Love that.
59:27.56
Jure Koscak
So paying attention.
59:29.39
mvhuber
I'm going to you steal that if you don't pay attention. You're going to pay the price right? like and I get that.
59:31.32
Jure Koscak
Yeah, either, you're paying to a sports psychologist you're or you're paying your injury or you're paying somebody else. You know the physiotherapist you're paying all the time. So like I said visit a chef visit the carpenter like an athlete go visit some other people that are.
59:39.51
mvhuber
Um, yeah.
59:49.55
Jure Koscak
Maybe hidden not so famous like Lebron James and and and observe them how they f are they so how can they create this soup from just 3 ingredients because they pay attention to details. They know how to cut they they are soft.
01:00:03.19
mvhuber
Um, yeah.
01:00:05.16
Jure Koscak
They flow. They allow the fire. You know to do the thing or the carpenter or something. It's like Jesus was a comforter so you know pay attention if it's we can say 1 thing pay attention.
01:00:16.67
mvhuber
It's a great way to end I Love it. So your day. Thank you so much for coming onto the podcast I Love and I really enjoy talking to you I mean you're such a passionate guy I think we have a lot of things in common and we we think the same way and it's. Really fun to talk to you with so much Energy. So Thank you for coming onto the podcast.
01:00:34.54
Jure Koscak
Thank you Michael it's more than a pleasure. Actually I had a headache just before the the neighbors were banging into the floor I don't know what was going on I did some detox today but I'm here I am enjoying more than than ever with you as well. So I hope and I trust. And I know that athletes and parents who need to listen to this will get the message and begin to pay attention or if you don't pay attention just go to a restaurant and go to the kitchen or just go somewhere just begin to pay attention to nature and you'll get it. You'll get what you need to? Thank you.
01:01:05.84
mvhuber
Um, that's it everybody pay attention. Thank you so much I talk to you.